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The Philosophy of Kreia: A Critical Examination of Star Wars

The Philosophy of Kreia: A Critical Examination of Star Wars

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  1. 0:00 Intro to Kreia
    2:28 The Jedi Code
    3:56 Jedi/Buddhist Philosophy comparison
    5:10 The Sith Code
    6:24 Nietzsche/Sith Philosophy comparison
    7:10 Kreia's duality
    8:25 Atris's path mirroring Kreia's past
    9:49 Arren Kae's "fall" from the Jedi Order
    11:30 Darth Traya's origins
    12:50 Why Jedi keep falling to the dark side
    17:50 Anakin's example
    19:50 Jolee Bindo's rejection of traditional Jedi teaching
    21:05 Luke's conflict with the Code
    21:52 The self-destruction of altruism
    24:30 On Jedi training children – avoiding connections
    26:20 The Sith's repeating pattern
    27:10 Yuthura Ban's story
    29:12 Anakin's emotional entrapment
    32:18 Traya becomes Kreia
    32:55 Master Morality
    33:42 Ajunta Pall's lamentations
    34:20 The Sith's unsustainable society
    34:58 The emptiness of revenge
    37:50 What defines Kreia?
    39:40 The Ithorians vs Czerka Corporation dilemma
    43:10 Kreia's iconic parable on kindness/cruelty
    47:00 Nar Shadda's lessons in manipulation
    55:11 Kreia dominates Hanharr – a lesson in strength and power
    1:02:52 Kreia's motivation
    1:04:47 Jolee Bindo's parable of Master Hortath (blindness)
    1:07:12 The Jedi Masters' judgment of the exile
    1:09:02 Kreia's judgment of the Jedi Masters
    1:09:34 The revelation of Atris's fall
    1:10:50 Jedi/Sith similarities
    1:12:20 Lightsabers' symbolic colors
    1:13:50 Corruption of the dark side
    1:14:56 The weaknesses of dependence on the force
    1:22:03 The endless battles of Master Morality vs Slave Morality
    1:26:00 Why Kreia hates the force
    1:28:53 Free will/choice vs fate/destiny
    1:35:42 Unsettling recurrences of events
    1:37:00 Kreia's grande schemes
    1:41:28: Name symbolism
    1:42:48 The significance of the exile and Malachor
    1:49:28 Kreia's final wish
    1:50:52 Luke's original purpose
    1:51:44 Conclusion

  2. A teacher who was not listened to, and who was far wiser than either Kreia and her contemporaries, and who understood the dynamic tension in the Force –

  3. Something to point out about the philosophy – In the EU it was explained that there was a time when the Dark Jedi and Jedi held as one – This is why you can actually read this as this:
    when there is no emotion, there is peace.

    when there is no ignorance, there is knowledge.

    when there is no passion, there is serenity.

    when there is chaos, there is harmony.

    when there is no death, there is the force.

    When peace is a lie, There is only passion.

    then through passion, I grain strength.

    Then through strength, I gain power.

    Then through power, I gain victory.

    Then through victory, My chains are broken.

    Then the force shall free me.

  4. finished this game and kotor 1 this week, I can see why ppl fell in love with them, sucks that disney made them legends =/

  5. My strongest character was neither Jedi or Sith. I was able to use both powers of the force. Neither bound by Jedi code or fall to Sith ways. I guess Kiera is saying the strongest understand both and makes decisions and act on it.

  6. One thing I’ll never forget from KOTOR 2.

    On Nar Shadaa I came across a Commoner who just needed 5 Credits.

    So I, out of both me just being generous, and the fact that at the time, I wanted the Light Side points, gave the man his Credits, only for Kreia to tell me to not be too generous. While Kreia taught me this lesson, I saw the same man who I gave the Credits to, get beaten down, and robbed of his Credits, and heard Kreia say how the cycle will keep going.

    After completing the game the first time, and playing it again a few years after, I did not give the man his Credits. Nothing different happened, other than the fact that I did not get Dark Side points for refusing, but gained Kreia’s Influence.

    This lesson stuck with me, although as much as many of the others.

    It’s incredible how much a game like KOTOR 2 can teach someone.

  7. I can’t believe how insightful this is. I find it hard to believe this was done just for shits and giggles. This must have been an assignment for some class. I hope it got an A+.

  8. While this is an amazing video, I hope we can all agree that the episode 3 video game was one of the best Star Wars video games ever

  9. It's a great vid, however even still as sagacious as Kreia may seem, her philosophy is still flawed. George Lucas put in alot of political and religious features some conflicting. Yet alot of the Lessons is simply to show the flaws in things but not the solutions, Similar is the philosophy of Kreia to follow her ideals would be the closest thing to chaotic justice with no clear defined shape or ideal the very universe has laws and yes we as humans sometimes manipulate them but at times even that manipulation still defines that we are subject to them.

  10. I love this and i'm only 15 minutes… I love philosophy and how each and every individual see's it… I'm completely shocked and blown away. This is fantastic and well made video, along with the research. Anyone who say's otherwise is either
    A) Not a star wars fans
    B) Not willing to learn of the world and lore.

  11. Yoda's Buddhist Anti life lesson.
    Nope ,just Anti life lesson which is widely taught under Buddhism name.
    Real Buddhism teach Buddhist the way to enlightenment ,not to "Let it go".
    Modern Buddhism is the opposite + BUDDHA'S MIRACLE.

    Throughout your life ,you should keep learning about yourself.
    Learn to accept your emotions ,not to succumb to them.
    You can not live without emotions.
    Learn to be happy.
    Learn to be angry.
    Learn to be sad.
    And learn to be with them ,not to let them overcome you.
    This is Buddhism.

    Young Anakin want to be a Jedi because he want better life ,
    not to learn their way.
    He see fault in their teaching so he doesn't follow.
    He lives among people who deny his way of life.
    When he seek their help ,they just abandoned him.
    Had they try their best to save his lover ,and they can't save her.
    Anakin wouldn't fall to the Dark side.

    Just imagine ,would it be acceptable to you if your lover get badly injured ,
    and doctor just say " Let her go " to you without even trying to save your lover?

  12. Hah. For years I had been avoiding the Star Wars franchise because I thought it was "overrated normie crap", without ever even watching them. Then one day, I decide to click on this video, watch it for like 10 minutes and then immediately close it and watch the original movie trilogy. After that I bought the games for dirt cheap on steam, and here I am after few months, enjoying this video to the fullest.
    Thank you ..

  13. Everyone at Lucasfilm should be forced to play this game, every possible ending, Ludovico Technique style.

  14. Absolutely phenomenal work! I can’t believe I didn’t check this out sooner given how many times it’s been in my recommendations. Kreia definitely shines a light on the imperfections of both sides. I still find myself disagreeing with her from time to time though. It can feel like she herself is blinded by her own mentality and goals. If she could get rid of the Force would it stop wars? Suffering? Chaos? Probably not. The Force flows though everything and binds the galaxy together as one. Kreia maybe thinks the Force doesn’t give anyone a choice, but it does. Characters in Star Wars still have the free will to either except or disregard the different paths laid out for them. The Jedi’s overly strict and flawed teachings are what must be fixed. When they stop listening to the will of the Force it’s because they become too arrogant, distracted, afraid, and or misguided. The consequences are the Jedi becoming useless, destroying themselves, and or the Sith forming only to end up bringing suffering and ruin. The Sith are like cancer to the force. This is the fault of the Jedi though, for their inability to solve the problem in the long term. By seeing their repeated mistakes, trying to fix them and going about their teachings better.
    The Jedi of the prequel era are obviously guilty of this and are a good example to see this. They became arrogant and disillusioned, serving the now corrupted Republic first and for most instead of listening to the Force. Anakin for many different reasons decides to turn to the Darkside. That’s HIS decision. He could had destroyed the Sith then and there, but didn’t. He eventually decides to destroy the Sith years later after seeing the love and sacrifice of his own son, but that doesn’t change the fact that things could gone differently. The will of the Force was for the Sith to be destroyed. Vader/Anakin’s decisions are what caused this to happen when and why it did. This is why I truly think Luke’s New Jedi Order in the old expanded universe after the events of RFTJ was the closest the Jedi and the Force had been at full compatibility and harmony with the rest of the galaxy.
    A true shame this is all “Legends” now.

  15. just curious, did anyone else besides me come across a glitch in kotor1 where when on the ebony hawk zal had 9 copies of himself, 2 behind the 1st the 3 after those 2 followed by 4 zal's standing side by side. If i remember correctly the glitch dumped other teammates and replaced them with zal.

    Man, it did feel good walking with 2 wookies.

  16. I'm a huge star wars fan but something that always confused me(i guess more so in the games) is how the saying "to be human" comes up so much in a society with multiple species.
    it feels like it they just switched out "human" with like "living" or "to be alive"…. idk, just curious.

    (that being said, i always ponder what everything we've named is gonna be called to a different species…. like the milky way galaxy, you think when we meet a new race that we end up changing it or just putting milky way in parentheses.)

  17. you are wrong about the sith being like Nietzsche teachings. Nietzsche was opposed to this strain of thought. it would be more equivalent to the exact philosophy of egoism. ware ones passion and will are justified to be used for anything a person believes to be "rational" in their world view that is.

  18. This is amazing. Truly. Does anyone know of similar videos to this? With a similar topic. I've listened to this many times over and over again. I always seem to learn something new. I know I'll get the usual "just read Nietzsche" and I will, however, I am looking for videos like these. It somehow combines philosophy and psychology, in a very interesting and fun way. So if anyone has any suggestions, I'm open to them.

  19. Man, the title doesn't do this video justice. But honestly, I don't know how else you could title it. There's a lot of videos on YouTube, but I just say this is probably my favorite. You done an amazing job with this.

  20. This is so good, and conveys the message of Kreia and Kotor2 so well, that I showed it to my mother. It has so many lessons that SOCIETY as a whole need to learn nowadays.

  21. Thank you so much for this, I really enjoyed it. I thought I read it somewhere in the comments I believe but I also must say, this is better than The Last Jedi movie.

  22. However the downfall of kotor 2 with Kreia is that the game's mechanics do not promote what Kreia wants to teach. Most times you have predetermined what path you will go down. Light, or Dark. Being what Kreia wants you to be makes you weaker to be more grey than light or dark. You get a massive boost in stats or a passive ability if you max out the light or dark side. So you are either an overly goody two shoes or a super evil a**hole to max out either side faster. Taking away what could be great moments to be an interesting character. Which is why every once in awhile I will play like an actual human being and while I am weaker and have to struggle more I find that the story is more rewarding then. I do still enjoy the power fantasy of those light and dark side runs they are just very shallow if you play kotor how its meant to be played, like a video game.

  23. I rewatch this about every 6-9 months and I swear the video has changed a bit lol.
    Anyway have we talked about the fact that history seems to repeat it self in reality, like how it does in Star Wars at all yet? I think it has more to do with societies becoming stagnant and repeating mistakes of the past than The Force, or God, trying to keep things in balance. Although you could say that existence has it's own way of finding balance over a long enough time-span I suppose.

  24. What a fantastic look at the Star Wars universe! The video was both gripping and informative, and I still can't believe I sat through a 2-hour video on the philosophy of a fictional universe. Thank you for putting this so much work into this incredible video!

  25. Probably my favourite YouTube vid. I watch it at least 2 times a year. It's so well put together, and Kreia is so wonderfully well-written.

  26. The Jedi code of only using strength for self defense can actually be traced back to the Hindu philosophy of ahimsa and dharma before the rise of Buddhism. Often misinterpreted as solely non violence, ahimsa from sananthana dharma or Hinduism means non violence, but with the need to defend oneself and their principles of their society and individual or dharma. All of these predate Buddhism and in fact gave the philosophical basis of Buddhism. Hinduism itself gave rise to these Buddhist philosophies (though not everything of course). Just a disclaimer: this is for historical and philosophical background and clarification, no offense meant

  27. giving him what he has not earned is like pouring sand into his hands. daang talk about anti socialism/communism at work right there.

  28. I wish the release of KotOR 2 wasn't so flawed because I feel like they had such real inspiration and got fucked by the release schedule and unrealistic demands

  29. So what I got from this is that the Jedi and the Sith are so caught up in their fighting with conflicting ideals that they're not able to see the strings the force itself is pulling. Kreia could from her experiences on either side, and she sought to end the force's influence all together.

  30. You know what is kinda scary? More like REALLY goddamn scary?
    She is completely right and relatable.
    There IS something, some fundamentally underlying thing in our reality as well. Modern science calls it Quantum Probability, some call it fate, some call it destiny, some call it god. Call it chi, prana, call it simply coincidence, or you can just as easily call it the Force, doesn't change the fact that there it is.
    There are way too many studies upon free will and if it really exists. Studies of time, how we perceive it and if actions are "set in stone" if there is a past a now and a future, or if it happened all at once and we are never even aware of it. So then if there is no free will in our own "real" universe what Kreia sought to destroy is reality itself, and not only her own. "Ours" as well. All of reality. And it's truly frightening to me, to think she was right.

    It's after all probably just the same idea, same fear the writer had expressed trough a game character.
    That's why her character is soo compelling to me. She CHALLANGES fate itself.

  31. Thanks man, due to this awesome fucking video, my perspective on one of my favourite Franchises and made it so in depth that im left dumbfounded.. This is one of the better YTers left alive.

  32. So what im trying to understand The jedi fucked up and the sith where ment to win or being a grey jedi is the best tbh?

  33. I liked Keira at the start of the game but as it progressed her character made little sense. Her motivation was so stupid to me and the whole reveal of KOTOR 2 that you are a hole in the force was so underwhelming. This video hasn't done much to convince me otherwise.

  34. Am I the only one who thinks Ryan Johnson copied this into the Last Jedi? No silly me that would actually take effort you totally never even knew this game existed.

  35. The Jedi strive for emotionless behavior, to be detached from everyone and thing except the force in order to be proper tools for peace.
    The Sith strive for freedom, to not be bound by rules and doctrine and find their own way to become successful and happy, they use the force as a tool to achieve this.
    The issue with the Jedi is that they fear not being capable of restraining their emotions, which becomes the first step towards their downfall.
    The issue with the Sith is that they have constrained themselves to certain behaviors, their code for freedom is vague but their society and culture is filled with just as much doctrine and rules as the Jedi, the code enforces freedom, but their culture enforces certain attitudes and behaviors to the point where the line between freedom and indoctrination become a blur.

    There is a place that people know of where these two ideologies meet called the Grey zone that tries to be a mix of the two in a way that is supposed to be balanced, this is where Kreia and many other characters in the star wars story we meet usually would be placed, and it has a whole set of issues that this video brings up, however we forget one thing, star wars is cyclical and ideologies in tend to be cyclical too, there is the Right and the Left, the Republic and the Democracy (Dark and Light), and they both meet at two different points, two specific middle grounds but different from each other, It's difficult to say what the second middle ground would be, but I would say that just like the Right and Left (Dark and Light) the two middle grounds are contradictory to each other, an unexplored middle ground separate and different from the one that is more commonly known, an extremist middle ground compared to the more moderate middle ground we all strive to be apart of… There is a way to be in the middle and not become apathetic, I think this is the way the Je-daii used to be before their fall.

  36. The Jedi code only has a superficial resemblance to Buddhism. Kreia's philosophy is actually very close to ancient Ch'an / Zen Buddhism, I think. They taught the liberation of the true self, not just from excessive passions but also from any kind of hard-set rules (which they called "chains" or "golden chains"). They taught that one needs to go beyond the duality of karma and the "cycle of birth and death", and that the true self / original face / pristine nature of humanity is utterly free without restrictions. They were even more critical of dualism than Kreia. The Jedi code is more like a form of Stoicism, and the Sith a form of Epicureanism; but both together belong really to a kind of Zoroastrianism / Manicheanism, the belief that there are two Gods (or Aspects) or Principles, one Good and one Evil, co-eternal and co-dependent. Both Kreia and Buddhism reject this dualistic interpretation, and preach the true or enlightened self as surpassing them. Kreia's failure is in blaming the force itself, rather than the Jedi/Sith's narrow-minded interpretations of the force. She views it as controlling people and obstructing free-will, but the force itself only enhances people's innate powers; the problem is in the people's – both Jedi and Sith – narrow use of the force. The Jedi blame the Sith for using the force for selfish ends and ruining the lives of others through lack of compassion, and the Sith blame the Jedi for overly stifling men's natural passions and inhibiting their personal growth, and these equally narrow views feed and support each other, neither bringing peace. But the force itself is not "forcing" anyone to accept these views, and despite Kreia blaming the force for using people to achieve balance, it's this balance that men themselves (and Kreia herself) are trying to find but can't because of their one-sidedness. Kreia is still partially stuck in the Jedi-Sith dichotomy and hasn't truly gone beyond it, since she still views these as being part of the force itself; in reality, the force itself is already one and already balanced, and it's only men through their overly-restrictive or overly-reckless thoughts and actions that are bringing "disturbance to the force". The way that men finally achieve this balance is when Luke and Vader both make an act of love / sacrifice for each other at the end of Episode VI, an act of love which goes beyond both the Jedi and Sith codes. This is what Jolee Bindo was talking about. As well as the Jedi Code superficially resembling Buddhism, it also superficially resembles Christianity; but again, Kreia's philosophy is close to Christianity, which (despite modern people's misinterpretation of it) emphasises the freedom of the human person and liberation from arbitrary rules. However, Christianity sees this liberation as being in tune with the Divine Will, that God Himself is a free person who wants a free relationship with men; similarly, Ch'an / Zen Buddhism sees this liberation as being in tune with what they call the Tao or the Way (the Jedi / Sith codes both really resemble ancient forms of say Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, which tried to control karma or the good/evil gods through magical practices). Kreia, however, because of her feelings of betrayal, resentment, and revenge against the force, can only see this freedom as being totally independent of the force, rather than being at peace with it. In her rebellion she ends up being more like a Satanist than a Christian. She ought to have thanked the force for letting her experience failure and betrayal at the hands of both the Jedi and the Sith, so that she could see past both and learn the true nature of the force. But ultimately Kreia is petty and so eager to prove her "teachings" right that she's more of a zealot than either the Jedi or the Sith. Rather than helping the Jedi and the Sith to overcome their blindness and be reconciled in their differences so that they could each be enlightened as to the true nature of the force, she just wants to destroy the Jedi, the Sith, and the force altogether. She's close to understanding the force but falls short due to her pride.

  37. Seems to me that Kreia has reached the pinnacle of what it means to be a Sith.
    To hate ones own weaknesses and strive to control it.
    To hate the weakness in others, to use them for your own ends.
    To hate governments, unions, and power structure. Conquer them and make all under one rule.
    And finally to hate the Force it self, the power that attempts to balance itself. It must be destroyed for either side to win.
    And the only way to do that is destroy all life in the universe…

  38. Just making my annual trek to this video. Still holds up in quality. The philosophies of Kreia… My god man… They still excite me

  39. This video is god damn amazing. This is worthy of being broadcast on television, hell… This is worthy of being sold. I'd have paid money to watch this. Truly incredible. Well done!

  40. the edit on this video is awesome and also your way to present your ideas, Darth Traya is such and awesome character and i love it, however you yourself are falling into one side of the spectrum which is basically what she was against, is not if you relinquish your ego or not or if you give into living, but the idea of being able of choosing by yourself and not some flawed sense of morality enslaved by a power we can't control. Your thoughts lean towards existentialism which is just one path, but to be able to understand all the sides is a bit more complicated and probably humanly impossible.

  41. Normally I'm not fond of Fascist aesthetics being used in media as short-hand for 'these are the bad guys' because I think it's too obvious and a little too cheap, but when it comes to Star Wars (not counting the new trilogy for reasons explained later) I'm pretty forgiving of it because the 'dark side' contains a lot of the same philosophical content as Fascism/Nationalism and comes with some of the same real-world practicalities and impracticality, like Carth says at 34:26 – "power, but no longevity" – if Fascism manages to survive the fact that it will invariably turn one's neighbors hostile to them, it will eventually burn itself out.

    While Francisco Franco can't really be called a 'Fascist' out of context with the Second World War (personally resembling more of the 'Latin American dictators' which characterized the Cold War era), he intended to run Spain in a very 'Nationalist' way – and as a result alienated the potential benefits of world trade in pursuit of 'autarky', eventually only giving ground to the technocrats when his measures proved disastrous and counter-productive, throughout the course of his time in power he had to cede more and more in order to keep his regime afloat, both to parties within his own country, his own people, and to international pressure. Eventually his regime was so weak that a couple of Basque Nationalists with a bomb managed to kill his chosen successor and he died shortly thereafter, leaving no leadership willing to continue on in his image. Nationalism – much like the 'dark side' – eats itself, making it more than just surface-level paint indicating who're the 'baddies'. Though the new trilogy lacks any semblance of deeper meaning whatsoever, and as a result hardly counts.

  42. Around the 57 min mark is when I kinda fell off the Kreia bandwagon. Who are you to say that the chains by which we live by weaken us? Only by being chained to a set of standards are we actually able to make meaningful choices. To try to become free of these chains is to merely be chained to your own desires and ultimately live a meaningless existence. This is not to say that you should be dogmatic in your adherence to whatever tradition, but rather is recognition of the idea that you can choose those traditions you follow in order to provide the foundation for meaning making.

  43. This made me think that Valkorion from S.W.O.T.R must either stumbled upon Kreia teachings or suddenly came to a lot of same conclusions, that changed him him quite drastically.

  44. Great analysis with excellent use of in-game dialog as source material to support your own thoughts and conclusions.

  45. You're still reading the comments, [email protected]? Gud.
    Kreia…. fascinating. However, the Sith (and Michael Moorcock's lords of chaos/entropy) were right in one thing – lack of conflict leads to stagnation. This was illustrated in one of the Elric books, where Elric & Moonglum, travelling thru planes, chanced upon a Lords of Law planet/plane. There was… nothing. Not much. Nothing moved. Nothing lived. Nothing… just…. empty. No need – it was as it should be. Every piece of sand (so coarse! Ok, ok…), every atom in its one CORRECT place, no need to change anything.


    So in Elric's and later Moorcock's multiverse (how cliche, amirite guise) there NEEDED to be conflict between the jedi and the si…. I mean, Lords of Law and Lords of Chaos. Because sane, normal LIFE needed it so.

    In every reality.

    In every plane.

    Because the planes in the verse where either the Law won (Perfection. Nothingness. Emptiness) or Entropy (constant mutation, where a living thing would not know whether it would mutate the next second or never, with no rules whatsoever) are


    Good vidya, bruh.

  46. This is one of my favorite videos online and I watched to many times considering it length. So thanks for this video.

  47. The problem with the Jedi is their passive nature, they have achieved such a level of control over their impulses, that it stiffles them to take swift decisive action when it is required, instead they sit back and wait, think on the problem and only act when it is too late. Thus leading to their downfall.

    A Sith Acts, A Jedi Reacts.

    From the Sith point of view, the Jedi are Spineless Authoritarians, to the Jedi the Sith are Violent Anarchists.
    Yet when it comes to practice, the Sith are the ones taking away the Freedom's of others, while the Jedi defend them.

    The Sith are a violent Storm, raw and chaotic, constantly changing, it's violence and unpredictability makes it powerful and dangerous, but a storm never lasts, it evaporates not long after it forms.

    The Sith are slaves to Power, to impulse and emotion, you cannot have a "Sith Empire" for long, it will always cannabalize itself, killing off one part to further itself and then having the victor turn on itself yet again…..until you are left with just two people, a Master and a Slave.

    The Jedi philosophy only works when there is no evil in the Galaxy, no great enemy to throw the fragile Peace and stability out of wack.
    The Jedi Utopia is ultimately as flawed as the Sith's Dystopia.

    The Jedi are the stabilizing force, the Sith…the destabilizing, the ying to the other's yang.
    Which is why neither should exist, and "Balance", can only exist when both extremes are elimited. But balance is such a fragile thing, tip it one way or another and we're straight back to dichotomy's and dialectics.

    The Jedi breed weakness, stagnation and complacency, a critical point will appear in which the good times peak and the demand for change and chaos reaches a tipping point.
    The Sith are change, revolutionary spirits, their change is the fire from which the spirit of a people is forged, when the Wheat detaches from the Chaff, the agents of change will be defeated and the demand for stability and order will return.

    Change itself was not the point, and rarely does the intent behind the change ever come about, no, the more things change the more they revert to the way they always were, there is a natural order of things.
    It's real purpose was to test one's self through conflict, pain and suffering, to evolve the spirit, not policy.
    Conflict and pain, the very things we try so hard to avoid, are the very things which keep an even more terrible pain and suffering at bay, that being the Dark Tyrannical Forces that seek to enslave us all.

    A Jedi's greatest strength is his self-control, absolute control, but it is also his teaching's greateat weakness.
    A Sith's greatest Strength is his lack of self control, the breaking of his chains, absolute freedom, that is his teaching's greatest weakness.

    A Jedi seeks to achieve personal control, to maintain the freedom of others. An act of Sacrifice?
    A Sith seeks to achieve control of others to maintain their personal freedom. An act of Tyranny?

    But seen from another point of view, the Jedi are Strengthening themselves at the expense of weaking others, by robbing them of the struggle.
    The Sith are strengthening those around them through pain, but weaking their own spirits.

    The only solution to the never ending cycle is one were the point of the society is to place man in a never ending struggle for self-improvement, spiritually, physically and intellectually, a never ending struggle against nature and yet in harmony with it.

    The solution……you know we almost had it, but we killed it before it had a chance.

  48. What if Kreia wanted the Exile to create echoes, in order to other Jedi or someone else, feel them and come to the respective planet to help those people?

  49. Kreia represents "all things… yet she belongs to neither the light nor the darkness". She is a neutral teacher that sees and shows the truth to Meetra, to the Jedi and Sith. She is an ancient artist of manipulation and war. Just like Mira says that Hanharr is just 'Hanharr', Kreia is just 'Kreia', nothing more.

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